| David,
can you start by giving me some background to CamSemi and how you
got to where you are today? |
CamSemi
started at the beginning of this decade when two world-renowned
Cambridge University electrical engineering staff members had a
vision for a novel way to implement very high voltage switches in
silicon. And just to quantify that, for us high voltage is of the
order of 700 volts, not a few tens of volts. This novel approach
is now widely publicised and patent-protected idea and involves
what we call “back etching” underneath the high voltage
device. So instead of just processing the front side of the wafer,
this approach requires you to also etch the conducted silicon material
underneath the high voltage device. By doing so you allow the electrical
field to kind of relax into that air dielectric underneath and that
allowed us to take break down voltages on a bipolar structure from
30 to over 600 volts.
So it’s one of those things that when you look back at it
you think, gosh that’s obvious!
But it brought together thinking from the MEMS sensor industry
and from the high voltage power electronics industry and Professor
Gehan Amaratunga and Dr Florin Udrea both had prior experiences
in those areas.
So they took the fundamental idea, secured some early seed funding
and were able to prove the concept. All of which led to the first
A-round closure towards the end of 2002. So that’s when the
business really got off the ground with significant investment driving
it forward; at that point about £3.5 million pounds of funding.
That was a massive achievement in 2002, which was a particularly
difficult year for any technology business trying to attract investment.
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| I would agree –
that was an especially difficult time to attract funding. |
| To
get backing from 3i, Scottish Equity Partners and TTP Ventures was
a real achievement. The company at that point was around five people
and then grew over time. I joined in January 2004, by which stage
the business was showing silicon that combined this high voltage
device with sophisticated control electronics for the chosen target
application: off-line power conversion.
Off-line means the energy is coming from the mains voltage line.
So it’s all about converting power from the high voltage mains,
and then down converting and regulating that for the use in pretty
much any electronic or electrical product you can think of.
Perhaps the highest volume example is in mobile phone chargers.
However, energy-efficient lighting is also another massive emerging
opportunity for us.
One of the really interesting things about this space is just the
sheer size of it. The total market today for off-line power converters
is over five billion units a year.
And that’s one of the things that attracted the founders
and our investors. What we’ve done since is to evolve the
business and, while we remain committed to and continue to invest
in that original high voltage technology, we’ve gone to market
and created our first product revenues last year from the controller
elements of the device. The controller is the part that tells the
high voltage switch what to do and when; although ultimately our
goal is to combine that sort of intelligence with the high voltage
capability that was the first concept for the business.
We closed another $26 million dollars of funding last year; we’re
now over 60 people strong and driving forward with significant revenue
acceleration. So that’s a quick summary of CamSemi’s
evolution.
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| I’m interested
in the product side of things; is it a system on chip that you are
driving towards? |
Well that’s
what we are driving towards and one of the things that attracted
me to this business is that we are at the heart of the converter.
With the presence of extremely high voltages, it’s very unlikely
this high voltage conversion will get combined with 60 or 45 nanometre
technology because it’s like oil and water; the two just don’t
mix. So we have a very well defined space in the power chain of
the electronic system. Our first products are a system on a chip
with all the control intelligence and the next logical step is to
integrate the very high voltage (600 or 700 volt) switch with that
intelligent control function.
Gehan sometimes refers to this as very mixed signal because the
control, the brain, is mixed signal and there’s an optimal
mix of analogue and digital functions. Controlling the system is
a real challenge because you’re making decisions based upon
millivolt-type measurements but operating in the presence of a switch
that’s reaches 700 volts in tens of nanoseconds. So it goes
far beyond many of the traditional aspects of mixed signal design,
because of that potential coupling effect from very, very large
voltage transitions that are taking place pretty fast.
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| I think it’s
a great example of how the industry is not all going down Moore’s
Law, there’s plenty of action in the industry that isn’t
at the absolute leading edge of high speed and processing power. |
I think, personally,
there’s greater opportunity there for all sorts of reasons
– particularly as a start up. The scale of investment required
to do a Moore’s Law play is significantly larger; it’s
over an order of magnitude more expensive to tape out a sub-100
nanometre design, than it is for us to do a design.
So if you just look at it from that perspective it’s massively
different. The other aspects that interest me are the market capitalisations
and valuations mixed-signal businesses manage to achieve, with decent
margins and good revenues that are higher than the traditional digital
“Moore’s Law” business. I think a third factor
is that we don’t have a software integration cycle to worry
about; you know it’s that constant challenge of integrating
two activities that can very easily point to each other and say
well it’s not working because of the other side of the equation.
We don’t have to worry about that and as a result not only
are our chip design cycles shorter but, very critically, our customer
design-in cycles are incredibly fast too. I mean we would be disappointed
if a customer didn’t have a working prototype within days
of receiving our part. So they spend far more time in safety testing
and sort of EMI testing than they do in actually designing-in our
part and of course, we try to make that relatively straightforward
for them.
So, one of the main reasons I’m here is that I was attracted
by the non-Moore’s Law aspect. And the size of the market
opportunity - the fact that it’s product substitution into
an existing market, rather than an emerging new application where
very, very often in my experience it takes longer for the market
to develop than you’d like or you’d planned for it to
do so.
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| And how does your
product stack up against the traditional competition - the transformer/rectifier
type arrangement? |
| There
are two classes of competition. There is the traditional linear power
converter, that’s the good old chunky piece of steel, copper,
diodes and capacitors. What I felt was exciting about this business
is that a sane person wouldn’t normally go after a large, mature
established market with a start-up company because how do you possibly
break-in? But the exciting thing about the power space is that because
of global warming, because of brown outs, because of energy costs
there is this massive transition taking place in the industry that
is basically saying that traditional forms of energy conversion cannot
deliver the efficiency required and will be legislated out of use.
In the future they will not be allowed because they are just too inefficient.
That good old traditional linear converter probably wastes between
50 and 60% of the power that’s going in. And even worse, you
know when you unplug your mobile phone it still wastes power. Very
few people are aware of that so you might have a 3 or 4W mobile phone
charger that wastes 1W or more in a linear converter, even though
it’s not charging anything. It’s just sitting there switched
on, plugged into the mains socket and burning power even though there
is no load attached. So, what we are trying to do is accelerate the
rate of change from that kind of solution to what is collectively
known as a switch-mode power supply, where there is a high voltage
switch on the primary side of the transformer so it is dealing with
these very high voltages. By moving to that sort of topology you can
achieve power conversions that waste 3 to 4 times less power when
active. And stand-by power can go from 1W to very typically of the
order today of 200mW but at CamSemi we are trying to drive that down
much further in the future. So you can have a 3 to 10x improvement
in both what is typically called active conversion efficiency and
stand-by or no load power and that has a huge impact on the energy
requirements and infrastructure build requirements.
So we are taking advantage of a discontinuity that’s being
driven by that need.
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Have
you summed this up for the 5 billion units? With these typical savings,
how many power stations would that equate to?
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| Recent
research has suggested that the stand-by savings in the UK alone could
power a town of 60,000 people and save millions of tonnes of CO2 at
the same time. But where this really becomes interesting is to take
this into markets in either a developed world or a more emerging world
which is struggling to generate enough electricity. Look at places
like California and their experiences of brown-outs. California is
now one of the leading economies of the world forcing dramatic mandatory
changes in energy efficiency. Then you look at other markets like
China who’ve adopted lots of those standards because they just
can’t build power stations fast enough. It’s not unusual
for companies in China to decide where they locate based upon how
many days a week they can get power. So it’s a very, very different
kind of psychology and I think we can contribute both to saving from
a green point of view but also where people can make better use of
or alternatively more people can use existing energy supplies.
Another aspect is the environmental impact
of these chunks of steel and copper. The raw material usage in the
technology we are moving to is maybe a 20th or less in physical
size so you are not digging as much iron from the ground and all
that sort of stuff. You’re again probably aware raw material
prices have gone up massively so that has allowed us to be quite
canny about what we have done because we can offer hugely improved
performance at no cost premium; people can basically move to our
solutions without paying more for the power converter – which
is a key to its adoption.
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| That should drive
a marketing advantage for your customers to improve the performance
of their products as well. There’s new legislation on ‘Energy
Using Products’ coming into European law within the next few
years that will give products like yours an advantage in the market
too.
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We are working and
participating in European Council activity around the standards
and the evolution from this sort of energy and efficiency point
of view.
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| It’s a tremendous
story and a really exciting phase in the company’s growth right
now. |
It is incredibly
exciting. I think it’s so timely it’s amazing, and what
we’ve been good at as a business is in understanding the bigger
picture trends and being fleet of foot in moving in those directions
and offering solutions.
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| Fabless start-ups
in the UK, and indeed in the rest of Europe, are a very interesting
topic however when we compare Europe to the US then the rate of fabless
company creation is much lower. We at NMI are seeing quite significant
growth of new companies in the UK now and I was wondering what you
felt were the key factors in starting a fabless business: what things
have helped and what areas have been difficult. |
It’s very
interesting. I have the good fortune that this is the 3rd pre-public
company I have worked for – two in the US and one here and
I think the environment has changed in a number of ways. Access
to funding has improved in that there is now greater availability
within Europe compared to how it was 10 years or more ago. The fear
of failure culture has changed somewhat – I think it’s
still true to some degree but the recognition that you can’t
be an entrepreneur and be successful every time – I mean you
just can’t! So, how do you react to that? Do you say, well
then I’m not going to try or do you take the American view
and say well actually I’m going to learn by trying. And I
think that there has been a shift in that regard, which is very,
very important. I think the political environment has improved too
and things like EMI stock-options and R&D tax credits are critical
here. There is also a real political will to create more dynamic
smaller companies and to support company growth; approaches which
I feel have been quite successful. So, there are many factors. I
think there are a large number of people who have gone from this
country and have been successful in Silicon Valley or elsewhere.
Certainly for me, one of my personal ambitions was to take what
I’d learnt in that part of the world and to try to create
a successful UK start-up and I think CamSemi is well down the path
in that regard.
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| You mentioned R&D
tax credits there, has CamSemi been engaged in other sources of public
funding? |
One of the things
to be very careful about with tax credits is that the company can
only have one form of what’s called notifiable state aid -
in effect, funding from a national government. We have gone down
the route of pursuing R&D tax credits and that has been a very
significant source of funding for us. In addition to that, where
we can within those rules, we’ve accessed specific funding
for European research projects, on a limited basis, but particularly
in the area of the high voltage development – that has been
something we’ve actively pursued.
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| You are certainly
in the minority there, as not many SMEs manage to engage effectively
in European programmes. |
No. Well we have.
Our founders’ international reputations and contacts have
been very helpful in this and I believe it’s been very beneficial
for all parties. I think we see those as real successes for us.
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| Another topic I’m
interested in is strategic partnering. At NMI we are about to launch
a report on this topic, and what we are finding is that strategic
partnering on the supply side is well understood and well accepted
within the industry and it’s taken as an absolute requirement
that you have to have to have good supply chain partnerships in place.
What is less apparent, or less well understood, but also shows signs
of differentiating success, is where companies are managing partners
on the demand side. I was wondering about your opinions on that? |
| Well, we have strong
ones. Not long ago I gave a talk entitled ‘Partnering for Success’
- the whole theme of which was that we consider partnership to be
vital to every phase of our business. Our view is the partner is another
investor, as we are for them to some degree. So it’s another
way of reducing risk and increasing the probability of success in
all aspects of the business. So absolutely, we have supply chain partners
in the sort of fairly traditional sort of sense, but we’re taking
that a step beyond where we’re actively pursuing partners for
our high voltage technology which has some particular technical demands
around the ability to flip a wafer, process the backside and align
that perfectly with what’s on the front side; it’s an
unusual challenge.
So, that’s just one aspect. We are actively partnering from
the product development process and we partner on the tools side
of the business. The arrangement we have provides us with access
to design and methodology services and also gives us flexibility
on our tools licensing. So as projects move through different phases
you may have different needs for different tools. We have an aggregate
tool value rather than so many licenses for each regardless of whether
you are using them or not.
So the ability to partner with people on the design side as well
has been important to us. And then if you think of the other side
of the equation, one of the things we set out to do right from the
beginning was to say that each of our early platform products needs
to have a sponsoring customer, that we take on and enter into what
we typically call an early access partnership where they help make
sure that we understand the market’s and application’s
requirements. And in return they have early access to design information;
ICs and support. That is something that we’ve adopted as a
philosophy for the business and it’s helped us enormously
in getting over that “first adopter” challenge that
can be fatal for any start-up. So we’ve certainly pursued
partnering very strongly on the supply and demand sides.
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| Can you tell me
about the challenges of a small company having to partner on a global
basis as your customer base is certainly not local. |
That is a challenge.
It’s very interesting when you look at the evolution of our
customer activity and how we’ve built up our sales channel.
We have more application and sales people in Taipei than we do in
Cambridge so we’ve always taken a global view. When I think
back to when we first engaged with the customer base in 2004, we
appointed someone to help us get into the Taiwan market because
it was important to us. Most of the leaders in the off-line power
system business are in Taiwan and Hong Kong so there’s a tremendous
focus there. So our early customer engagement was really all international.
And of course that’s challenging, but it is the nature of
the market we’re serving. We had the choice of moving the
whole company there or trying to service it from here and to build
local teams in that territory. I suppose in an ideal world we would
have just been able to up-sticks and go out there and make the whole
company Far East centric, but in practice the core intellectual
property and the core of the team are here in Cambridge. So we’ve
tried to find a successful hybrid model of core competence in Cambridge
with a marketing and sales support channel wherever it needs to
be. Our second international centre is North America. Not continental
Europe at this stage because it’s in North America where a
lot of the influencers are, where a lot of the brands our customers
are selling to are located. So we are seeking to make sure we have
that presence as well because it will influence our longer term
strategic direction.
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| Well
I’m very relieved you decided not to up sticks and leave. We
believe that one of the most attractive options for the developed
economies like UK & Ireland is to build businesses based on IP
exploitation; it’s got to be a key part of the future for our
industry. |
Well quite. An important
consideration for us is protecting our IP. UK employees tend to
have a greater respect for IP, although I think that is changing
as other parts of the world are becoming more mature about this
and realise the value in IP they themselves create. We’ve
put a lot of effort in to filing patents and protecting our core
IP.
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| When
I first came to CamSemi, 3 or 4 years ago, I noticed that there
weren’t that many people here really - however the people
who were here were of a very high calibre. It occured to me then
that CamSemi was very serious about developing the business and
putting the right people in place to grow the company. |
Part of the philosophy
was that you need to plan for success and by so doing greatly increasing
your probability of success. What can kill a start up that is fortunate
enough to have the right product at the right time, is failing to
get it out into the market fast enough. They can still be by-passed
by an inferior solution that is just delivered better. So we’ve
put a lot of effort and emphasis in very early-on: for example a
dedicated VP in the quality and reliability area who has established
a methodology, thinking and procedures that allowed us to get through
first time qualification for our very first silicon. So our first
silicon went into production, and did so very, very quickly. Part
of that was that we very careful selected our manufacturing partners,
had a great team designing the product but also had thought through
exactly what we needed in place for qualification and reliability
and were able to slickly execute on that. That applied to ESD and
all those other things such as design for testability that can just
kill you if you don’t plan for them in advance. Just making
sure all those pieces are in place in advance of what I sometimes
refer to as a “tsunami of demand”- so we can deal with
it when it hits.
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| You mentioned IPO
earlier on, is there anything that you would like to say about your
aspirations there? |
That’s clearly
our aspiration. As I said, I’ve been fortunate enough to see
and be part of two prior US-based companies that have done that.
It is absolutely a core target for the team; it is a motivational
element for everybody. We’re fortunate to have seen other
companies successfully do it, so you know it can be done. And I
believe we are in a position now where largely it’s up to
us – we’ve got our first product out, we have a very
good funding position, the market is there, we just need to make
sure that we can deliver - that is what the company is focused on
doing.
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| Before we close
David, have you any final points? |
| I’m glad we talked
about the partnerships because I think that is very important and
certainly we’ve benefited from government initiatives in terms
of helping start-up businesses. However, I just can’t over emphasise
the other key success factors for us. People are just fundamental;
you just have to have the right people to drive the business forward.
I think the right funding environment and investors is also critical
and we’ve been very fortunate with 3i, SEP, TTP and now The
Carbon Trust, so we’ve done very well from that point of view.
One other key point that can be a problem with European businesses,
is the “Fleetness of foot” they posses, that is the
ability to recognise opportunity and equally to recognise problems
in your own business and very rapidly adapt to both. To find a way
not just to be stuck on your original business plan but to say ‘Hey,
where can we get to revenue fastest?’, and drive single-mindedly
for that because ultimately it’s about return on investment
and time-to-revenues are a very, very critical part of that. So
I think that sort of fleetness of foot and embracing change rather
than being afraid of it is one of the key success factors and lessons
from my past.
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| NMI would certainly
like to wish you every success for the future David. The UK need’s
companies like CamSemi to keep going and become one of the new breed
of National Champions. I really believe that a few of the successes
that are backed by strong publicity can help to bring new people back
into the industry and generate excitement at all levels.
We wish you every success - thank you very much.
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