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Meet the CEO - Interview with David Baillie, CEO of CamSemi
 
David, can you start by giving me some background to CamSemi and how you got to where you are today?

CamSemi started at the beginning of this decade when two world-renowned Cambridge University electrical engineering staff members had a vision for a novel way to implement very high voltage switches in silicon. And just to quantify that, for us high voltage is of the order of 700 volts, not a few tens of volts. This novel approach is now widely publicised and patent-protected idea and involves what we call “back etching” underneath the high voltage device. So instead of just processing the front side of the wafer, this approach requires you to also etch the conducted silicon material underneath the high voltage device. By doing so you allow the electrical field to kind of relax into that air dielectric underneath and that allowed us to take break down voltages on a bipolar structure from 30 to over 600 volts.

So it’s one of those things that when you look back at it you think, gosh that’s obvious!

But it brought together thinking from the MEMS sensor industry and from the high voltage power electronics industry and Professor Gehan Amaratunga and Dr Florin Udrea both had prior experiences in those areas.

So they took the fundamental idea, secured some early seed funding and were able to prove the concept. All of which led to the first A-round closure towards the end of 2002. So that’s when the business really got off the ground with significant investment driving it forward; at that point about £3.5 million pounds of funding. That was a massive achievement in 2002, which was a particularly difficult year for any technology business trying to attract investment.

 

I would agree – that was an especially difficult time to attract funding.

To get backing from 3i, Scottish Equity Partners and TTP Ventures was a real achievement. The company at that point was around five people and then grew over time. I joined in January 2004, by which stage the business was showing silicon that combined this high voltage device with sophisticated control electronics for the chosen target application: off-line power conversion.

Off-line means the energy is coming from the mains voltage line. So it’s all about converting power from the high voltage mains, and then down converting and regulating that for the use in pretty much any electronic or electrical product you can think of.

Perhaps the highest volume example is in mobile phone chargers. However, energy-efficient lighting is also another massive emerging opportunity for us.

One of the really interesting things about this space is just the sheer size of it. The total market today for off-line power converters is over five billion units a year.

And that’s one of the things that attracted the founders and our investors. What we’ve done since is to evolve the business and, while we remain committed to and continue to invest in that original high voltage technology, we’ve gone to market and created our first product revenues last year from the controller elements of the device. The controller is the part that tells the high voltage switch what to do and when; although ultimately our goal is to combine that sort of intelligence with the high voltage capability that was the first concept for the business.

We closed another $26 million dollars of funding last year; we’re now over 60 people strong and driving forward with significant revenue acceleration. So that’s a quick summary of CamSemi’s evolution.


I’m interested in the product side of things; is it a system on chip that you are driving towards?

Well that’s what we are driving towards and one of the things that attracted me to this business is that we are at the heart of the converter. With the presence of extremely high voltages, it’s very unlikely this high voltage conversion will get combined with 60 or 45 nanometre technology because it’s like oil and water; the two just don’t mix. So we have a very well defined space in the power chain of the electronic system. Our first products are a system on a chip with all the control intelligence and the next logical step is to integrate the very high voltage (600 or 700 volt) switch with that intelligent control function.

Gehan sometimes refers to this as very mixed signal because the control, the brain, is mixed signal and there’s an optimal mix of analogue and digital functions. Controlling the system is a real challenge because you’re making decisions based upon millivolt-type measurements but operating in the presence of a switch that’s reaches 700 volts in tens of nanoseconds. So it goes far beyond many of the traditional aspects of mixed signal design, because of that potential coupling effect from very, very large voltage transitions that are taking place pretty fast.


I think it’s a great example of how the industry is not all going down Moore’s Law, there’s plenty of action in the industry that isn’t at the absolute leading edge of high speed and processing power.

I think, personally, there’s greater opportunity there for all sorts of reasons – particularly as a start up. The scale of investment required to do a Moore’s Law play is significantly larger; it’s over an order of magnitude more expensive to tape out a sub-100 nanometre design, than it is for us to do a design.

So if you just look at it from that perspective it’s massively different. The other aspects that interest me are the market capitalisations and valuations mixed-signal businesses manage to achieve, with decent margins and good revenues that are higher than the traditional digital “Moore’s Law” business. I think a third factor is that we don’t have a software integration cycle to worry about; you know it’s that constant challenge of integrating two activities that can very easily point to each other and say well it’s not working because of the other side of the equation. We don’t have to worry about that and as a result not only are our chip design cycles shorter but, very critically, our customer design-in cycles are incredibly fast too. I mean we would be disappointed if a customer didn’t have a working prototype within days of receiving our part. So they spend far more time in safety testing and sort of EMI testing than they do in actually designing-in our part and of course, we try to make that relatively straightforward for them.

So, one of the main reasons I’m here is that I was attracted by the non-Moore’s Law aspect. And the size of the market opportunity - the fact that it’s product substitution into an existing market, rather than an emerging new application where very, very often in my experience it takes longer for the market to develop than you’d like or you’d planned for it to do so.


And how does your product stack up against the traditional competition - the transformer/rectifier type arrangement?
There are two classes of competition. There is the traditional linear power converter, that’s the good old chunky piece of steel, copper, diodes and capacitors. What I felt was exciting about this business is that a sane person wouldn’t normally go after a large, mature established market with a start-up company because how do you possibly break-in? But the exciting thing about the power space is that because of global warming, because of brown outs, because of energy costs there is this massive transition taking place in the industry that is basically saying that traditional forms of energy conversion cannot deliver the efficiency required and will be legislated out of use. In the future they will not be allowed because they are just too inefficient. That good old traditional linear converter probably wastes between 50 and 60% of the power that’s going in. And even worse, you know when you unplug your mobile phone it still wastes power. Very few people are aware of that so you might have a 3 or 4W mobile phone charger that wastes 1W or more in a linear converter, even though it’s not charging anything. It’s just sitting there switched on, plugged into the mains socket and burning power even though there is no load attached. So, what we are trying to do is accelerate the rate of change from that kind of solution to what is collectively known as a switch-mode power supply, where there is a high voltage switch on the primary side of the transformer so it is dealing with these very high voltages. By moving to that sort of topology you can achieve power conversions that waste 3 to 4 times less power when active. And stand-by power can go from 1W to very typically of the order today of 200mW but at CamSemi we are trying to drive that down much further in the future. So you can have a 3 to 10x improvement in both what is typically called active conversion efficiency and stand-by or no load power and that has a huge impact on the energy requirements and infrastructure build requirements.

So we are taking advantage of a discontinuity that’s being driven by that need.

 

Have you summed this up for the 5 billion units? With these typical savings, how many power stations would that equate to?

Recent research has suggested that the stand-by savings in the UK alone could power a town of 60,000 people and save millions of tonnes of CO2 at the same time. But where this really becomes interesting is to take this into markets in either a developed world or a more emerging world which is struggling to generate enough electricity. Look at places like California and their experiences of brown-outs. California is now one of the leading economies of the world forcing dramatic mandatory changes in energy efficiency. Then you look at other markets like China who’ve adopted lots of those standards because they just can’t build power stations fast enough. It’s not unusual for companies in China to decide where they locate based upon how many days a week they can get power. So it’s a very, very different kind of psychology and I think we can contribute both to saving from a green point of view but also where people can make better use of or alternatively more people can use existing energy supplies.

Another aspect is the environmental impact of these chunks of steel and copper. The raw material usage in the technology we are moving to is maybe a 20th or less in physical size so you are not digging as much iron from the ground and all that sort of stuff. You’re again probably aware raw material prices have gone up massively so that has allowed us to be quite canny about what we have done because we can offer hugely improved performance at no cost premium; people can basically move to our solutions without paying more for the power converter – which is a key to its adoption.


That should drive a marketing advantage for your customers to improve the performance of their products as well. There’s new legislation on ‘Energy Using Products’ coming into European law within the next few years that will give products like yours an advantage in the market too.

We are working and participating in European Council activity around the standards and the evolution from this sort of energy and efficiency point of view.

 

It’s a tremendous story and a really exciting phase in the company’s growth right now.

It is incredibly exciting. I think it’s so timely it’s amazing, and what we’ve been good at as a business is in understanding the bigger picture trends and being fleet of foot in moving in those directions and offering solutions.

 

Fabless start-ups in the UK, and indeed in the rest of Europe, are a very interesting topic however when we compare Europe to the US then the rate of fabless company creation is much lower. We at NMI are seeing quite significant growth of new companies in the UK now and I was wondering what you felt were the key factors in starting a fabless business: what things have helped and what areas have been difficult.

It’s very interesting. I have the good fortune that this is the 3rd pre-public company I have worked for – two in the US and one here and I think the environment has changed in a number of ways. Access to funding has improved in that there is now greater availability within Europe compared to how it was 10 years or more ago. The fear of failure culture has changed somewhat – I think it’s still true to some degree but the recognition that you can’t be an entrepreneur and be successful every time – I mean you just can’t! So, how do you react to that? Do you say, well then I’m not going to try or do you take the American view and say well actually I’m going to learn by trying. And I think that there has been a shift in that regard, which is very, very important. I think the political environment has improved too and things like EMI stock-options and R&D tax credits are critical here. There is also a real political will to create more dynamic smaller companies and to support company growth; approaches which I feel have been quite successful. So, there are many factors. I think there are a large number of people who have gone from this country and have been successful in Silicon Valley or elsewhere. Certainly for me, one of my personal ambitions was to take what I’d learnt in that part of the world and to try to create a successful UK start-up and I think CamSemi is well down the path in that regard.

 

You mentioned R&D tax credits there, has CamSemi been engaged in other sources of public funding?

One of the things to be very careful about with tax credits is that the company can only have one form of what’s called notifiable state aid - in effect, funding from a national government. We have gone down the route of pursuing R&D tax credits and that has been a very significant source of funding for us. In addition to that, where we can within those rules, we’ve accessed specific funding for European research projects, on a limited basis, but particularly in the area of the high voltage development – that has been something we’ve actively pursued.

 

You are certainly in the minority there, as not many SMEs manage to engage effectively in European programmes.

No. Well we have. Our founders’ international reputations and contacts have been very helpful in this and I believe it’s been very beneficial for all parties. I think we see those as real successes for us.

 

Another topic I’m interested in is strategic partnering. At NMI we are about to launch a report on this topic, and what we are finding is that strategic partnering on the supply side is well understood and well accepted within the industry and it’s taken as an absolute requirement that you have to have to have good supply chain partnerships in place. What is less apparent, or less well understood, but also shows signs of differentiating success, is where companies are managing partners on the demand side. I was wondering about your opinions on that?
Well, we have strong ones. Not long ago I gave a talk entitled ‘Partnering for Success’ - the whole theme of which was that we consider partnership to be vital to every phase of our business. Our view is the partner is another investor, as we are for them to some degree. So it’s another way of reducing risk and increasing the probability of success in all aspects of the business. So absolutely, we have supply chain partners in the sort of fairly traditional sort of sense, but we’re taking that a step beyond where we’re actively pursuing partners for our high voltage technology which has some particular technical demands around the ability to flip a wafer, process the backside and align that perfectly with what’s on the front side; it’s an unusual challenge.

So, that’s just one aspect. We are actively partnering from the product development process and we partner on the tools side of the business. The arrangement we have provides us with access to design and methodology services and also gives us flexibility on our tools licensing. So as projects move through different phases you may have different needs for different tools. We have an aggregate tool value rather than so many licenses for each regardless of whether you are using them or not.

So the ability to partner with people on the design side as well has been important to us. And then if you think of the other side of the equation, one of the things we set out to do right from the beginning was to say that each of our early platform products needs to have a sponsoring customer, that we take on and enter into what we typically call an early access partnership where they help make sure that we understand the market’s and application’s requirements. And in return they have early access to design information; ICs and support. That is something that we’ve adopted as a philosophy for the business and it’s helped us enormously in getting over that “first adopter” challenge that can be fatal for any start-up. So we’ve certainly pursued partnering very strongly on the supply and demand sides.


Can you tell me about the challenges of a small company having to partner on a global basis as your customer base is certainly not local.

That is a challenge. It’s very interesting when you look at the evolution of our customer activity and how we’ve built up our sales channel. We have more application and sales people in Taipei than we do in Cambridge so we’ve always taken a global view. When I think back to when we first engaged with the customer base in 2004, we appointed someone to help us get into the Taiwan market because it was important to us. Most of the leaders in the off-line power system business are in Taiwan and Hong Kong so there’s a tremendous focus there. So our early customer engagement was really all international. And of course that’s challenging, but it is the nature of the market we’re serving. We had the choice of moving the whole company there or trying to service it from here and to build local teams in that territory. I suppose in an ideal world we would have just been able to up-sticks and go out there and make the whole company Far East centric, but in practice the core intellectual property and the core of the team are here in Cambridge. So we’ve tried to find a successful hybrid model of core competence in Cambridge with a marketing and sales support channel wherever it needs to be. Our second international centre is North America. Not continental Europe at this stage because it’s in North America where a lot of the influencers are, where a lot of the brands our customers are selling to are located. So we are seeking to make sure we have that presence as well because it will influence our longer term strategic direction.

 

Well I’m very relieved you decided not to up sticks and leave. We believe that one of the most attractive options for the developed economies like UK & Ireland is to build businesses based on IP exploitation; it’s got to be a key part of the future for our industry.

Well quite. An important consideration for us is protecting our IP. UK employees tend to have a greater respect for IP, although I think that is changing as other parts of the world are becoming more mature about this and realise the value in IP they themselves create. We’ve put a lot of effort in to filing patents and protecting our core IP.

 

When I first came to CamSemi, 3 or 4 years ago, I noticed that there weren’t that many people here really - however the people who were here were of a very high calibre. It occured to me then that CamSemi was very serious about developing the business and putting the right people in place to grow the company.

Part of the philosophy was that you need to plan for success and by so doing greatly increasing your probability of success. What can kill a start up that is fortunate enough to have the right product at the right time, is failing to get it out into the market fast enough. They can still be by-passed by an inferior solution that is just delivered better. So we’ve put a lot of effort and emphasis in very early-on: for example a dedicated VP in the quality and reliability area who has established a methodology, thinking and procedures that allowed us to get through first time qualification for our very first silicon. So our first silicon went into production, and did so very, very quickly. Part of that was that we very careful selected our manufacturing partners, had a great team designing the product but also had thought through exactly what we needed in place for qualification and reliability and were able to slickly execute on that. That applied to ESD and all those other things such as design for testability that can just kill you if you don’t plan for them in advance. Just making sure all those pieces are in place in advance of what I sometimes refer to as a “tsunami of demand”- so we can deal with it when it hits.

 

You mentioned IPO earlier on, is there anything that you would like to say about your aspirations there?

That’s clearly our aspiration. As I said, I’ve been fortunate enough to see and be part of two prior US-based companies that have done that. It is absolutely a core target for the team; it is a motivational element for everybody. We’re fortunate to have seen other companies successfully do it, so you know it can be done. And I believe we are in a position now where largely it’s up to us – we’ve got our first product out, we have a very good funding position, the market is there, we just need to make sure that we can deliver - that is what the company is focused on doing.

 

Before we close David, have you any final points?
I’m glad we talked about the partnerships because I think that is very important and certainly we’ve benefited from government initiatives in terms of helping start-up businesses. However, I just can’t over emphasise the other key success factors for us. People are just fundamental; you just have to have the right people to drive the business forward. I think the right funding environment and investors is also critical and we’ve been very fortunate with 3i, SEP, TTP and now The Carbon Trust, so we’ve done very well from that point of view.

One other key point that can be a problem with European businesses, is the “Fleetness of foot” they posses, that is the ability to recognise opportunity and equally to recognise problems in your own business and very rapidly adapt to both. To find a way not just to be stuck on your original business plan but to say ‘Hey, where can we get to revenue fastest?’, and drive single-mindedly for that because ultimately it’s about return on investment and time-to-revenues are a very, very critical part of that. So I think that sort of fleetness of foot and embracing change rather than being afraid of it is one of the key success factors and lessons from my past.


NMI would certainly like to wish you every success for the future David. The UK need’s companies like CamSemi to keep going and become one of the new breed of National Champions. I really believe that a few of the successes that are backed by strong publicity can help to bring new people back into the industry and generate excitement at all levels.

We wish you every success - thank you very much.

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